This will be the outcome, people removing their data.
There will be an incident.
Someone will have an serious issue.
It’s a seriously miscalculated change.
Just had a thought - does this information appear at on SMS at the bidding stage?
If so I can see a challenge where when selecting people to attend on the course by the activity IC, those highlighted with a condition are declined as “it’s one thing less to worry about”
Even if this didn’t happen activity ICs will now have to have a written evidenced reason for declining a cadet or staff so they can’t be accused of discrimination regardless of actual reasoning.
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If they need to know, that’s fine, I’ll tell them. I’m sure the GDPR aspect has been addressed. Just makes me a little tetchy
I’ve removed mine already.
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Errr prescription meds and conditions that affect or potentially affect ability to partake? Conditions and abilities related to cognition or mental health that need considering? Allergies?
These are all things that need managing before it goes wrong - and not an exhaustive list.
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I would suggest that applies far less for Staff or Staff Cadets who as grownups are all capable of managing their own conditions.
Yeah I don’t disagree with that.
I’m not sure I understand the fuss.
Bader now flags to activity staff who they should be expecting TG23 forms from.
Next step - allow the activity commander to generate a report they can print and scrap TG23s entirely.
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Why even put it on SMS in the first place if you don’t want people seeing it? Completely defeats the purpose. Remove it if you don’t want to disclose it, no one is forcing you to.
As an Activity Commander you need to know any relevant medical conditions, as existing policy already stipulates. If irrelevant, remove it from SMS - easy.
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The issue is that it’s not limited to the activity commander, it flags it to any member of staff who happens to look at who’s attending.
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Fair enough
I agree that information about medical conditions should be treated sensitively and not be made available to “just anyone”. But I still think I should be able to view attendee’s medical details in advance.
Here’s a scenario based on the current system:
I’m organising a mountain bike instructor course, for staff and staff cadets. I see that one of the attendees has a medical condition, so I have to contact them in advance to ask for details. This is time-consuming for me, is more likely to be overlooked, and is also less secure, as now I will be storing their medical condition as an email, which I may print, or write into a notebook, so it’s available to me on the course.
Here’s how it could work instead:
Participants do not see any medical information, but as “directing staff” for the activity, I can see that some attendees have medical conditions. At first I only see a high-level categorisation of the condition, eg. “restricted mobility”. I can click a button to view more information, and I am shown a warning message: “Are you sure you want to view details of this medical condition? The person will be notified.” I see that the participant has severe knee problems, which gives me the information I need to adapt my delivery of the course. I also contact the participant in advance to have a pragmatic conversation about how their medical condition might affect their completion of the course.
at RIAT the flight lists handed out to Flight IC and 2IC do list a * mark or similar against those with TG23s filled in.
they do categorise it, i forget now, but for argument sake level 1 and 2.
level 2 is your “everyday stuff” hayfever, asthma, or food intolerances, allergic to aspirin - that low level interaction - the Cadet is self controlling it
Level 1 is the more serious stuff, diabetes, food allergies etc which needs managing and stricter staff awareness
I am not sure this would work in this example as it would only highlight those who are level 1 and raise more questions - as it stands a medical flag doesn’t discriminate against suffering with hayfever or allergic to bee stings, right up to has a pacemaker fitted or is epileptic
but keeping it to Flight staff only does work and is on a “need to know” and i agree with the comments is best viewed by the appointed activity IC for the activity.
for “general” viewing makes little sense in my opinion
I have always handed my TG23 to camp comm in a sealed envelope with my sig over the flap. That was the way I was instructed to do it way back. Assaid prev - my info, for med use only.
Though, if the form is kept safe with the individual until handing it in right at the beginning of the activity, then sealing it an envelope is a bit of a waste really. The first thing that a camp comm or any other activity IC will do is to take it out and throw the envelope away.
You might as well have saved an envelope.
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