Or gender fluid.
Guys. Topic.
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Also, no1 hats for all cadets that they can wear on parade and with wedgewood blues.
A kilt with No5 Jacket for formal dining in nights . being a proud Scot it part of my heritage
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Iām sure Iāve seen people wear a kilt in no. 5 before.
EDIT: turns out you can wear a kilt if you fit the very specific criteria.
Iāve seen it done by an RAFAC officer. The picture was a few years old (so they were probably RAFVR at the time) and nobody seems to have objected.
I feel like somebody should have objected. I donāt even think it was the regulation kilt.
There is an actual RAF Tartan for kilts etc.
https://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/tartanDetails?ref=3586 etc
I thought it was ok for Burns Night?
That design of tartan (as you can see from the Tartan Authority link) is only about 30yrs old, and was adopted as recently as 2003 by RAF pipe bands. I was told by the person who designed it that it was a deliberate effort to look āair forceā in colour scheme (and I think it doesā¦in fact, the design is also very-similar to the sett for the RCAF tartan, just less-purple)
The actual original Air Force Tartan is Grey Douglas (as correctly referenced in the extract from AP1358 above).
Iāve seen pictures of this kilt worn by Scottish RAuxAF squadron officers with No5s in the 1920s/30s, and even worn with blue-grey battledress blouses and shirt&tie by a funeral escort flight for a downed Luftwaffe pilot in WW2, as they fired-off a three-volley salute from their Lee-Enfields.
Kilts and tartan are remarkably contentious things (itās no joke to say that at one time in history they were illegal, and people could be hung for wearing them).
But there is something rather-odd about the RAF dress regulations when it comes to kilts and No5s. By comparison, in the RN, kilts are absolutely-fine in mess dress. In the Army itās a bit more complicated (due to regiments & corps, and underpinned by the bizarre overturning of numerous traditions within the creation of the Royal Regiment of Scotland).
Thereās an argument to say that formal permission to wear kilts with No5s where appropriate would be a reasonable thing to ask for.
But this maybe flags-up a genuine paradox. The dress regulations for RAFAC AP1358C are of course entirely-derived from RAF AP1358. There is never anything in the Air Cadets version that contradicts the Air Force version.
Is there actually any formal stated mechanism via which RAFAC can table propositions for amendments / additions to the RAF Dress Policy Committee? The point being that the only way in which an RAFAC amendment to AP1358C can ever occur is if AP1358 changes beforehand (maybe I just poked my beret above the trench on the end of stick)
Via Chris Mundy, RWO LaSER . Silver copy holder and basically is the mechanism.
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Well, probably via your WWO first then in the general direction of Northolt with a large āWO MUNDYā sticker on itā¦
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Well, exactly soā¦and that is now enforced irrespective of previous Scottish lowland regimental traditions (eg KOSB, who previously never wore kilts before this
https://www.thesouthernreporter.co.uk/news/death-knell-sounded-for-kosb-s-identity-1-91594 are now required to )
Similarly, whilst most Scottish regiments would wear kilts as day-wear, but not in the mess (trews were worn to evening functions). I understand thatās been overturned, and similarly kilts are to be worn as mess dress.
Anyway- at least in the wider Air Force family there remains a possibility that it might eventually be a permitted option in the future (kilts in mess dress, I mean). But within RAFAC, that would only ever become the case were it to be permitted within the RAF (and I think that is a totally-logical heirarchy)
Hmmm. Iād bin the majority of badges. Weāre not the flipping scouts.
Stop issuing PCS shirts. Still donāt know why the Air Farce doesnāt issue them.
Retain work shirts, much easier than wedgewood. Some sort of softshell jacket.
Stop it with the badges.
Donāt, for the love of god allow forage caps with No 3 dress. It looks, excuse the pun, chippy as anything.
Oh and STOP IT WITH THE BADGES!!!
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Itās not the scouts but itās a youth organisation. Next you will be wanting belts over the top of Smocks and unblousedā¦
This aināt the Pongoās, keep the badges and let the cadets show off their accomplishments.
PCS in its entirety is gash. We agree on that.
Keep the forage caps. They look boss.
Unless some of us are air officers (or have a different definition of forage cap; sometimes it means peaked cap?) nobody should be wearing one in No. 3 dress.
Just wear it all the time. Scrap the peaked caps.
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They were re-renamed to Field Service Caps. Their original name. Because they were designed for field use. Iād happily wear one in a barrack form of No.3
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Become the Sqn photographer and constantly carry your camera with youā¦
I know itās a youth organisation mate. I was a cadet myself and served in the Air Farce. I just think we overdo the badges. Far too many shooting and flying ones.
As to the wearing of smocks and belts, nope. Looks daft as anything. And, unless youāre a bootie, they should be unbloused.
Forage cap, field service cap, chip bag, whatevs. Itās an awful thing and should only be worn in 2 dress or flying kit. Anyone that wears it in combatsā¦just no.
I totally disagree with the badges. I think itās just right, itās tidy, kept to the Brassard with exception to a few flying/gliding ones. Itās not a total cheese fest like the scouts.
I think itās good for the cadets to get that sense of accomplishment when sewing on another badge onto their brassard.
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