We also salute a regimental Colour, the jackstaff on a warship and just to throw a another spanner in the works two certain animals. The drum horses of the Household Division are the only animals in the forces who hold a commission. Usually only saluted by those that know, ie; household division… and everyone on this thread now, lol.
I think it’s the quarterdeck on HM warships; and don’t forget the Artillery’s Colours!
I think it’s the quarterdeck on HM warships; and don’t forget the Artillery’s Colours![/quote]
isn’t it all colours? Because they’re awarded by the Queen?
Certainly is; and RAF Sqn/Stn Standards.
Certainly is; and RAF Sqn/Stn Standards.[/quote]Yup, and the Banner of the Air Training Corps (the one with the astral crown) as it too is consecrated.
I understand that some of the “habits” of saluting (random wives, junior ranks in an OCs office) are considered obsolete now.
[quote=“timmyrah” post=11512]Is this what you mean?
[quote]6.
When the individual is not wearing head - dress or is carrying anything other than a weapon, which prevents saluting, the head is to be turned smartly towards the officer being passed. When stationary the individual is to stand to attention as the officer passes.[/quote][/quote]
spot on! so which document does that piece come from?
this is also what i understand…how many Officers actually return a salute to this “unsalute” though is a different matter!
[quote=“steve679” post=11569]
spot on! so which document does that piece come from?[/quote]
AP818, Part 2, Chapter 1, Para 6.
I don’t think the ‘habit’ of saluting ladies etc is obsolete in that we’ve been told not to do it, it’s just people don’t do it any more as it’s probably not ‘fashionable’ like removing hats. However, juniors should still salute on entering an office. Officers should also salute when entering the office of an equal or junior officer as well, but most don’t; it’s not a rule, it’s just courtesy that again, we seem to have forgotten.
[quote=“cygnus maximus” post=11571]I don’t think the ‘habit’ of saluting ladies etc is obsolete in that we’ve been told not to do it, [/quote]It no longer appears in AP818 as an occasion for saluting, ergo it appears to have fallen officially out of vogue. The word “Lady” does not appear in AP818 
Only an equal and then only as a courtesy - refer to AP818, Ch2, para 17.
[quote=“steve679” post=11509]it was my PM and any indication of force will be denied 
with regard to my addtions
i was told once, so confess i have no document or paragraph to quote, but when passing an Officer a Salute should be offered even if yours hands are full - carrying a box for instance.
the equivalent of an eyes left/right with a nod is deemed suitable.
a similar method if cycling passed an Officer walking towards you…
and in such case the Officer should reply with a full salute in recognition of the “un-salute”
these are two example occasions i was told where an Officer is offered a “salute” without actually throwing up a hand/arm
i’d love to know if the above can be confirmed by black and white, but that is my understandig based on my experience.[/quote]
To be honest just a good morning sir is enough and as long as they say good morning back thats also enough
I seem to recall seeing it written somewhere that saluting a subordinate officer when entering his/her office is officially not done any more, although I couldn’t find you a reference for it.
Notwithstanding what AP818 says and the previous comments on here, saluting a junior when entering their office was most definitely briefed in the 80s. Again, I don’t recall it being something that was written down, it was more a ‘tradition’ (sorry, RAF habit). Certainly, my Flt Cdr on IOT advised it should be done and I recall an OC Eng Wg coming to see me for a chat in the early 90s saluting when he came into my office.
It’s just a courtesy; it’s their office after all. I still do it - difficult to break the habits of 32 years!
Stand by for Wilf’s comments on this (saluting that is, not my habits).
Agreed - it was definitely still about when I was commissioned, and that was only the last decade!
I was saluted in my office just last year by a Flight Lieutenant. I’m a lowly Pilot Officer. I think I was briefed to that effect at OIC as well.
It would not surprise me if a variety of people (even ATF) were not up to speed with the current state of affairs. Perhaps a recent IOT graduate could advise (or an imminent IOT graduate could enquire)
Chapter and Verse:
AP818 Chapter 2 Paragraph 17:
Officers below the rank of squadron leader are to salute officers of and above that rank. Officers of the rank squadron leader and above are to salute their superiors in rank.
Officers of all ranks are to salute their superiors before addressing them formally whilst on duty (eg on a parade). There is no regulation or custom which calls upon an officer to salute an officer of junior rank, such as when entering or leaving an office; however, it is common courtesy for an officer to salute when entering or leaving the office of another officer of equal rank.