You’re at region, consider it passed up!
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Sorry, I don’t understand. You don’t think what has anything to do with the safety centre?
At a guess, I’d say changing the info about the phone number? It’ll be someone in the training cadre that deals with it and a myth about 112 isn’t directly an HSEP issue?
However, @RickWhitehead, perhaps if it were raised by someone with your position and responsibilities (now that you’re aware of an error in a facet of our HSEP training) there would be a greater likelihood of resolution…
The CoC starts very far down for us and lots links in the chain to drop, forget, or not adequately pass the ball.
Could be… Though, whilst it might be a ‘training’ responsibility to fix it I’d question who, if not the Safety Centre, is ultimately responsible for the content of H&S training? They must surely have signed off on it and it’s going to be they who need to tell somebody in training that it needs fixing. Surely if my messages gets to some PowerPoint creator the first thing they’re going to have to do is contact the safety centre for approval to change it.
Maybe, maybe not. But there’s no need to make it sound quite so adversarial while you make your assumptions.
Someone has come on here and cleared up some duff gen and given views on some other matters too - some answers have appeased and appealed less than others, but that’s life. A number of people have felt more knowledgeable and empowered because of it.
While many are saying we wish more would engage in this way (as the effects are generally +ve for both on and off the forum), but if the tone deteriorates (and I’m not singling you out it’s just that you’re here now) that’s not going to help the attractiveness of ACC as somewhere for people to do so.
We all have a whinge and a vent from time to time and we know who the worst are for it, but sometimes a more constructive approach is more cathartic in the long term when the chance exists.
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That’s not me being adversarial my friend, that’s just me making a logical statement.
Anything to do with H&S must surely, at some point, be the responsibility of the Safety Centre.
Let’s not forget that my entire involvement in this thread started with making simple statements of fact.
Nobody need take those personally unless they were responsible for them, and to my knowledge, that’s nobody in here.
It’s a valid point that they would have had input, but it’s a complete unknown to us who said or signed off on what.
I do see your point, but it was put across strongly and hence “make it sound adversarial”.
You know as well as anyone here that issues with policy and training materials should go via CoC in the first instance. Just because you’ve got someone here (informally) at a higher level doesn’t automatically allow that to be circumvented.
I know of a certain CFAV who has made the CoC or other formal channel suggestion numerous times without debate.
I’m not looking to circumvent the CoC.
My gripe about the fire training was not intended that Rick take over responsibility for it; it was just a gripe about the fact that same old myth is still in there… Just as we all gripe about various things on here.
I’d have made the same comment, in the same thread, even if Rick hadn’t joined us.
Sorry, I don’t like the whole refer to CoC statement… if I learn of something that I can action on my squadron, through a forum, social media, chit-chat… and I can make a change… I’m not going to wait for it to come through the CoC officially… if I can make a positive change I’ll make it no matter how I learn if it.
Someone from region has seen something that needs fixing… so fix it. Saying go through the CoC is frankly not good enough especially given something that could be the difference to an emergency call a cadet could make.
No matter where you sit in the organisation if something needs fixing, it’s our responsibility to do our bit to fix it… Not for more senior staff to refer it to the CoC where that is obviously going to be a lower level, and need to pass them on the way up again. That just causes delay.
Basically, you’ve ranted what I proposed in a more amiable manner:
However…
Just no. Pure hyperbole.
While it’s untrue and we shouldn’t peddle the myth, what actual difference is it going to make? The cadet will make the call and the call handler will ask them where they are and if needed help them figure it out.
Here’s the rub - we should be training cadets to know or have a good idea of their location anyway.
If they are in a building they should know to have an idea of its address or how to get it, if they are out and about they should know where or have a map and be well enough trained to figure it out. We should be teaching them about GPS apps and W3W.
If they really don’t know, it’s not going to make a jot of difference to how their call plays out whether they dial 999 or 112, because the call handler will take responsibility for helping discover the location (and be used to doing so).
On my second night in command at my new unit I had to call 999, as the fire alarm sounded (it was being tested by a lodger unit on the main building 
I didn’t know the postcode, but I knew the address, I also new that the Fire Brigade call centre was very close to our unit, we had an attending engine in short order and they checked the panel for us as the SQEP and then we cracked on with the night.
For me it’s always 999, 911 is for the USA and really thinking about it 112 is for Europe.
I’m pretty sure there is some confusion as I think this issue is in the content on Ultilearn for the Annual Fire Training, @wdimagineer2b is that correct? If so that falls to the safety centre to produce, if not it should, I do think there is an amendment suggestion form we can submit directly to our RSA & a member of the safety centre.
What I have found is that in the H&S line, the CoC doesn’t really seem to exist. We have a GAPPED HSO currently, but i know I could reach out to @RickWhitehead or my WEXO without issue but only one of these is an SME and the other would likely defer to Rick anyway, so I tend to go direct.
Rather than posting this on a forum, can you bang an email to your RSA?
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The number that is called doesn’t make the difference. As @wdimagineer2b says, it’s the potential hesitation whilst the cadet tries to process the emergency, and recall which number the RAFAC says is the best to call, despite both numbers doing the same thing. I agree that it will probably not be an issue, but it is quite embarrassing that a MOD sponsored youth organisation has released official training material that contains something which isn’t true.
I confess to being interested enough to do some web based research on the subject. It surprises me to find out that not all emergency services have the ability to pull data from the call, including location data.
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That is true.
The location is provided by BT. The emergency call centres either require a computer system which automatically interfaces with the BT system when the BT operator redirects, or they have to do it the old fashioned way, with the BT operator telling them.
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I do not know who originated the Fire Safety. Training Package.
I do not believe that it was created by the Safety Centre at HQAC.
I can check.
The Fire Safety Training Package doesn’t have anything to do with the Safety Centre at HQAC to the best of my knowledge.
They did not create it.
For Good Egg… Pass it to your RSA via your WExO. It will be passed to the Safety Centre.
Let me clarify… The Safety Centre has a lot of, (if not all) input into the content of the H&S Package.
I believe that the Fire Safety Package has been created by Fire Specialists, who are not part of the Safety Centre.
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Thank you for that.
It’s useful to know.
All RSAs will always try and assist anyone. The Scotland & NI RSA post is gapped, so any of us would assist their WExo, who is working to at least double a WExo capacity anyway.
I sometimes wonder how WexOs do it, the amount of hours they work.
I would always try and assist whenever I can.
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so I took a look via Google
Procedure
999 or 112 is used to contact the emergency services upon witnessing or being involved in an emergency. In the United Kingdom, the numbers 999 and 112 both connect to the same service, and there is no priority or charge for either of them. Callers dialling 911, the USA’s emergency number, may be transferred to the 999 call system if the call is made within the United Kingdom from a mobile phone.
source: Wikipedia
Interesting.
I’ll check that out the next time I have to call something in which isn’t too urgent.