OK…
OiC - Plt Off
Adj - CI
Sqn staff - WO, Flt Lt and Sqn Ldr.
Any issues…only when I was appointed a few months ago, when outgoing OC (Flt Lt) vacated CO’s office and other sqn Flt Lt took over office with a comment about who outranked who. Soon settled with some adult conversations around who was appointed to what post on the sqn…
CI as adj is because they’re good at admin.
I kinda have an issue with civilian adjutants when there are VRT officers avaliable. If there is an official parades then adj should probably be one of the most important person on the parade ground considering the duties involved. Having a C.I. means another officer, acting as the adjutant.
Why cant you have a VRT as an adjutant who may not do the admin but is responsible for ensuring its sorted and the best form filler CI or otherwise as an administrator. Why do they need one of the only “official” titles to be able to do the work?
Just one of my bug bears.
A squadron “adjutant” is simply the person who looks after the admin. If that best describes a CI or SNCO/WO then give them the title.
They are not a “2i/c” and the army model needn’t apply - in the RAF a station adjutant is typically a young (first tour?), junior officer working at SHQ. I notice that the Adjutant for the RAFAT is a WO 
That role is easily separated from the named parade positions of “adjutant” which, as you say, are officer positions and which have specific, non-paperwork-related tasks on a parade. When I go about organising a parade I will aim to choose an adjutant who is capable of doing that job on that parade, whether their normal role be training officer, OC or random staff member.
Similarly, a “parade WO” need not be a WO.
Thanks for the clarification
[quote=“incubus” post=14468]A squadron “adjutant” is simply the person who looks after the admin. If that best describes a CI or SNCO/WO then give them the title.
They are not a “2i/c” and the army model needn’t apply - in the RAF a station adjutant is typically a young (first tour?), junior officer working at SHQ. I notice that the Adjutant for the RAFAT is a WO
That role is easily separated from the named parade positions of “adjutant” which, as you say, are officer positions and which have specific, non-paperwork-related tasks on a parade. When I go about organising a parade I will aim to choose an adjutant who is capable of doing that job on that parade, whether their normal role be training officer, OC or random staff member.
Similarly, a “parade WO” need not be a WO.[/quote]
How refreshing, a non typical often anal view to the roles that people can take in the ATC as we try to play RAF.
I’m all for this, but then I prefer pragmatism over dogmatism. If you haven’t got something then you can’t use it, so you need to make do/improvise.
No security implication. Anyone can competently check doors are locked. Storage or firearms etc can be done by anyone with CTC check. Only thing you need officers for is for transportation so not really an issue since it is very rare that there are no officers in the area to help out.
Yes, My old squadron has the current set up of:
OC: Sgt (ATC)
Adj: Sgt (ATC)
Trg Off: Sgt (ATC)
I’ve looked after weapons as as FS(ATC)- I am SC cleared as well, up from CTC.
BOSS - Flt Lt
2IC/Trg Off - Fg Off
SWO - CSgt
Is that a Service Instructor Colour Sergeant? Or do you mean a Cadet Sergeant?
I’ve never known of a service instructor taking any sort of executive post.
[quote=“wdimagineer2b” post=14644]Is that a Service Instructor Colour Sergeant? Or do you mean a Cadet Sergeant?
I’ve never known of a service instructor taking any sort of executive post.[/quote]
I’m 90% sure a regular Flt Lt ran Sleaford or Grantham squadrons
I’m 100% sure an SI has run a Sqn!
I’ve seen an Lt Cdr SI running an SCC unit, so the precedent is out there in cadet land.
Interesting. It’s not something I’ve come across.
[quote=“Baldrick” post=14647][quote=“wdimagineer2b” post=14644]Is that a Service Instructor Colour Sergeant? Or do you mean a Cadet Sergeant?
I’ve never known of a service instructor taking any sort of executive post.[/quote]
I’m 90% sure a regular Flt Lt ran Sleaford or Grantham squadrons[/quote]
If you are thinking about the lass who worked at HQAC, she was a VR(T).
[quote=“Plt Off Prune” post=14655][quote=“Baldrick” post=14647][quote=“wdimagineer2b” post=14644]Is that a Service Instructor Colour Sergeant? Or do you mean a Cadet Sergeant?
I’ve never known of a service instructor taking any sort of executive post.[/quote]
I’m 90% sure a regular Flt Lt ran Sleaford or Grantham squadrons[/quote]
If you are thinking about the lass who worked at HQAC, she was a VR(T).[/quote]
I was pretty sure the lass I was thinking about was OASC Regular
[quote=“Baldrick” post=14660][quote=“Plt Off Prune” post=14655][quote=“Baldrick” post=14647][quote=“wdimagineer2b” post=14644]Is that a Service Instructor Colour Sergeant? Or do you mean a Cadet Sergeant?
I’ve never known of a service instructor taking any sort of executive post.[/quote]
I’m 90% sure a regular Flt Lt ran Sleaford or Grantham squadrons[/quote]
If you are thinking about the lass who worked at HQAC, she was a VR(T).[/quote]
I was pretty sure the lass I was thinking about was OASC Regular[/quote]
Defiantly someone different then. I know her name but not good drills to post here.
Even the RAF has its moments…
My Father was Station Commander at RAF Kirkham in the 1950’s (Nr Blackpool - now a prison)
He was a Corporal !
The only commissioned officer ar Kirkham was right on retirement declined the post
It is documented…
[quote=“ddr61” post=14665]Even the RAF has its moments…
My Father was Station Commander at RAF Kirkham in the 1950’s (Nr Blackpool - now a prison)
He was a Corporal !
The only commissioned officer ar Kirkham was right on retirement declined the post
It is documented…[/quote]
Now that is intresting! I would like to know how that came about.
(Just so you know I am not taking the mick)
[quote=“zinggy” post=14668][quote=“ddr61” post=14665]Even the RAF has its moments…
My Father was Station Commander at RAF Kirkham in the 1950’s (Nr Blackpool - now a prison)
He was a Corporal !
The only commissioned officer ar Kirkham was right on retirement declined the post
It is documented…[/quote]
Now that is intresting! I would like to know how that came about.
(Just so you know I am not taking the mick)[/quote]
2nd-ed
New thread time? Or a PM if you prefer??
Are you sitting comfortably 
RAF Kirkham was wound down and finally closed in 1957. My father was there on a some course or other and was waiting for his next posting. Eventually there was just a fire picket consisting of a Cpl and 3 LACs + a Old Sqn Ldr. The Sqn Ldr, being an old timer, had the ‘skill’ to decline being the Station Commander - he only had weeks to go before he finished.
The job when went to the next ranking airman …the Corporal !
Thats why the final Station Commander at RAF Kirkham was a CPL…who then handed the Keys to the Ministry of Works…( who passed them to the home office)
It was only for 8 weeks…but he was Stn Cmdr all the same 
On a similar note I was a Skipper on the small Customs Patrol Boats. I was a Lowly bottom feeder in the civil service but on the boat I outranked everyone else!