Fieldcraft policy update - Dec 2018


#263

The MoD and procurement in the same sentence, if you’ll excuse me, the term is oxymoronic.


#264

but the question remains…
If you do not have the mandated kit :face_vomiting: and the alternative (PLCE with ammo and bottle pouch) is insufficient who has authority to allow you to do more (PLCE with additional 2 pouches or other options) etc

… or is it an 11th commandment route

Again common sense and trust in staff to provide duty of care on the ground appears to have vanished from the organisation


#265

Easiest thing is to approach your RC and see if as DDH they will authorise what you want to do. The SST shouldn’t come in to play as there is equipment that is defense approved to do what you want to do, just make sure you are using that.


#266

Do you have any videos showing how to do this?


#267

Quite a few on YouTube - some are ok.

We were thinking of doing a how to video but that will have to wait till the new FT policy has bedded in.


#268

Could be something for the Cadet Portal - @james_elliott?


#269

If I get 5 minutes later to dig out my side pouches I could film one… But really there’s nothing to it.

Want two side pouches? Simply, zip the two side pouches together along one edge and clip onto the daysack yoke.
Done.


#270

I’ll pass it onto the team developing the uniform and drill part of the Portal


#271

You can’t attach a PLCE yoke without a second ammo pouch anyway. Depending on the bottle pouch, it may come with yoke attachment points, but you really don’t want a water bottle there. PLCE webbing is designed to have an ammo pouch on each side - you have left and right ammo pouches and the each pouch has attachment points for the front yoke strap and the side strap.

The easiest thing to do is change the policy to be in line with ours: You can use the vest or appropriate webbing. Make-up of said webbing is left up to you.


#272

Absolutely. A utility pouch on the right hand side is a waste. It’s big, bulky… Two double ammo pouches are far more useful.
Ammunition on the left; brew on the right. :wink:


#273

The utility pouch is specifically designed to be worn in place of an ammo pouch if needed, either for those who have few mags (it’s standard in the RAF) or for those using belt-fed weapons.

It’s ideal for cadets - water bottle on the back, ammo on the left, odds and sods (cleaning kit, mess tins, cooker_emphasized text_, pouch meal and snacks) on the right.


#274

You don’t want to pack anything bulky beyond the side of the body. It becomes unpleasant.

No need to carry mess tins or cooker in webbing. :slight_smile:


#275

Who what where? What am I agreeing to??


#276

People were discussing a video on how to put together webbing. Not sure where it would fit on the portal at the moment but might be an idea for adding in the future?

Just thinking aloud as you’re already planning on putting drill videos in etc.


#277

The plan is to have a FMST page under training at some point and it would fit neatly on there potentially :+1:


#278

To echo what James says, from a content point view the more material we have the better (even if it is a bit rough round new edges). Then we can try different ideas and take the best ones forward.


#279

Have enjoyed reading thru this topic, I find it really interesting that the RAFAC are pushing forward with this and in my opinion it’s good, without going to deep right now (see below) I come from a tri service back ground, and at regular and reserve have seen the need for armed fieldcraft training with all services, and believe that it should be covered in some form within the cadet system…and it’s fun, promotes leadership and you get dirty :grinning:

To give you a wee insight into why I like it!.. I’m an ex air cadet, I loved field stuff as a cadet, and I wanted to be RAF Regt, back then it was just playing hide and seek n no good, so I was in ACF as well, roll on couple years and I decided to join up, RAF Regt would take me at the age I was and said wait couple years…nope! I’m off and joined Army, 8 years later I ended up in Royal Navy (working with Army!!) did 8 years there before making it back to the start and spending time in RAuxAF as a gunner in Regt…finished?..no, ended up joining ACF as a CFAV(no other cadet organisations near me at the time), now nearly 16 years as ACF CFAV, took a commission several years ago, I’m an RCO, an ECO, SAA instructor, FA instructor etc etc, I’ve taught from basic cadet to master cadet, and taught new CFAV…and you know what…ask a cadet what the 2 best subjects are?..it’s 95% Shooting and field craft!! (Sad ones like still!), the ACO is different, I get that, been there, seen it, but in today’s forces a basic amount of fielvraft is paramount so why not get it in in the cadets!

Sorry fir being long winded


#280

Gents a lot of talk on here about webbing and not carrying enough etc, I’m going to mention the “fight light principle”…it’s not made it’s way to the cadets system yet, and may never, but for some back ground it is the principle that is used at the infantry battle school in Brecon, fir some light reading use this link


#281

Hardly relevant to cadets though. If carrying a sleeping bag is too heavy on a given exercise then the answer is to reduce the distance travelled, not get rid of the sleeping bag.


#282

Agreed, as I said it’s not a cadet thing, it’s more the principle that you don’t have to carry the world on your back…and the kitchen sink…on an exercise…and I think that quote was an American? Not sure