[quote=“Gunner” post=5953]
This is the sort of IDIOT that we don’t need in the Corps. He has failed to apply a) common sense and b) duty of care and at the VERY least, he needs marching in for a one-way debrief.[/quote]
Indeed, i completely agree, but an invitation to an BUM kicking party with who? The Sqn Cdr who has also ‘always done it that way’ or the WSO who knows no different either? Dare I say tat we need real direction on issues like this, they may seem trivial, but its ridiculous little things that people remember and IMHO show some of us to be little more than wannabes with big egos to massage!
My cdts can choose. Whilst inside most take them off but I wouldn’t mention it if they kept them on. I always prefered to keep it on to hide my hat hair…how vain.
If the CO is party to this practice then he is complicit in permitting it to happen and he is also failing in his duty of care. I would suggest that they tap the mat in front of the P Staff Officer or failing that, the OC Wg.
If the CO is party to this practice then he is complicit in permitting it to happen and he is also failing in his duty of care. I would suggest that they tap the mat in front of the P Staff Officer or failing that, the OC Wg.[/quote]
I did take it up with the CO and the Adj. (Who was all for it, he being an ex-cadet) The CO didn’t feel that she had the power to overrule a WO on issues of dress. Personally, I don’t think that was right (as she clearly did), but I know why she felt like that. That was down to a wing with a very divided staff along commissioned/non-commissioned lines. Where officers did not interfere with drill and NCOs didn’t interfere with admin.
If the CO is party to this practice then he is complicit in permitting it to happen and he is also failing in his duty of care. I would suggest that they tap the mat in front of the P Staff Officer or failing that, the OC Wg.[/quote]
I did take it up with the CO and the Adj. (Who was all for it, he being an ex-cadet) The CO didn’t feel that she had the power to overrule a WO on issues of dress. Personally, I don’t think that was right (as she clearly did), but I know why she felt like that. That was down to a wing with a very divided staff along commissioned/non-commissioned lines. Where officers did not interfere with drill and NCOs didn’t interfere with admin.[/quote]The officer in question clearly needs to grow a pair then!
The WO is responsible to the OC for matters such as the 'D’s, but it’s the OC’s responsibility at the end of the day.
If the CO is party to this practice then he is complicit in permitting it to happen and he is also failing in his duty of care. I would suggest that they tap the mat in front of the P Staff Officer or failing that, the OC Wg.[/quote]
I did take it up with the CO and the Adj. (Who was all for it, he being an ex-cadet) The CO didn’t feel that she had the power to overrule a WO on issues of dress. Personally, I don’t think that was right (as she clearly did), but I know why she felt like that. That was down to a wing with a very divided staff along commissioned/non-commissioned lines. Where officers did not interfere with drill and NCOs didn’t interfere with admin.[/quote]The officer in question clearly needs to grow a pair then!
The WO is responsible to the OC for matters such as the 'D’s, but it’s the OC’s responsibility at the end of the day.[/quote]
Being a she, she might disagree.
But yeah, quite. The WOs in that wing came up with some very strange ideas, and preached them as gospel to poor confused officers, and then made the lives of any officer who defied them rather difficult, so I can understand why she was over-cautious.
My favourite was the DWO telling a COs conference that Wedgewood blue uniform, ALWAYS includes jumper. No exceptions. When queried about shirt sleeve dress, he replied ‘no. it always officially includes jumper, they can only take it off for health and safety reasons in heat, not because the dress regs allow it.’
Needless to say, this was RUBBISH, but the way in which it was pressed upon us made it very hard to argue. (I did, but that’s why they didn’t like me.)
[quote=“zinggy” post=5990]Dto me its simple hats on outside hats off inside unless doing drill or on parade[/quote]Which is what seems to happen in the RAF too, though the book (AP1358c, para 0126a)says it is hats-off “When indoors at designated place of work”. I wonder if it is my place of work or anybody’s?
sub para e. is particularly useful though, as it says it isn’t worn “when otherwise ordered”
