Again just pedantic nonsense.
Personally, I can’t see the need for anyone to bring any person within a room to attention unless it’s for a damn good reason. If the CO or WSO needs to make an announcement then fine but those that bring personnel to attention - irrespective of whether it’s using ‘sit-up’ or ‘Ladies & Gentlemen’ - for any other reason, are, IMHO, simply fuelling the egos of those who expect it to happen for them.
Bring a room full of people to attention for a reason - not just when a cadet or adult SNCO; or officer feels like wandering in to make themselves feel big.
[quote=“Gunner” post=3611]Personally, I can’t see the need for anyone to bring any person within a room to attention unless it’s for a damn good reason. If the CO or WSO needs to make an announcement then fine but those that bring personnel to attention - irrespective of whether it’s using ‘sit-up’ or ‘Ladies & Gentlemen’ - for any other reason, are, IMHO, simply fuelling the egos of those who expect it to happen for them.
Bring a room full of people to attention for a reason - not just when a cadet or adult SNCO; or officer feels like wandering in to make themselves feel big.[/quote]
I have to agree.
Why is it egotistical if contingent of the room show respect? Too many self imposed opinions.
Seeing this is a meeting place for ATC and others (be it unofficial). Why is there not a mechanism in place for getting an answer from the horses mouth?
For one I like fact, not well on our squadron we do… and when I was a cadet we did…
Bringing a room to attention (or sitting up) is simply a means of showing respect for the person entering. We used to stand up at school when our teachers entered the room and gentlemen used to stand when ladies entered (some still do, me included - stands by for sexist accusations). I personally think it would be a sad reflection of society and our organisation if we stopped doing things like this.
I entirely agree that this ‘showing of respect’ can be overdone, I would not expect a class to be interrupted, or for everything to stop simply because a cdt NCO had entered. But I would expect a class to sit up when their adult staff member came in to start the lesson.
General rule at several sqns I’ve passed through.
If the officer or SWO is moving around the building ‘without headgear’ they do not wish to have compliments.
Similarly, cadets doing errands such as emptying bins, sweeping, mopping etc remove their headgear and carry on whoever is on the prowl.
Generally for me the ‘hats off when you enter a building’ is preferred.
But don’t take my word for it ‘just a CI’.
[quote=“mike-foxtrot-lima” post=3861]If the officer or SWO is moving around the building ‘without headgear’ they do not wish to have compliments.[/quote]Sounds like a fairly crap precedent to be setting to me.
I’ve always found the wearing of headgear indoors , rather strange myself. Normally, one removes headgear when entering a building unless taking part in a formal occasion where the wearing of said headgear is required, such as final parade or a presentation ceremony if held indoors.
And no, I don’t have an anal reference for it - its just something I was used to in a previous life.
[quote=“Gunner” post=3864]I’ve always found the wearing of headgear indoors , rather strange myself. Normally, one removes headgear when entering a building unless taking part in a formal occasion where the wearing of said headgear is required, such as final parade or a presentation ceremony if held indoors.
And no, I don’t have an anal reference for it - its just something I was used to in a previous life.[/quote]
I couldn’t agree with you more! I’ve been to several Sqns at which the cdts wear their berets all night! Why? I’ve also seen some Sqns where cdts salute indoors if passing officers (nothing wrong with ‘bracing up’ as our Army colleagues do, but saluting, no). Hats off inside unless needed for parade or entering OC’s office,
Pretty much agree.
On our unit cadets tend to wait in a room for the arrival of the instructor hatted too (no idea why, it’s just always been that way!), but the instructor will remove theirs shortly after entering and the cadets will follow suit. So hats worn for first parade, drill prac, 1 minute at the start of lessons and for final parade - plus if they need to report to the office.
[quote=“MattB” post=3871]Pretty much agree.
On our unit cadets tend to wait in a room for the arrival of the instructor hatted too (no idea why, it’s just always been that way!), but the instructor will remove theirs shortly after entering and the cadets will follow suit. So hats worn for first parade, drill prac, 1 minute at the start of lessons and for final parade - plus if they need to report to the office.[/quote]
Seconded!!
to paraphase ACP5c “the start and end of of every lesson, when “on Parade” (first and final), and when entering the office”
There’s no hard and fast rule when it comes to things like this so you just need to check a few things:
- Does what you’re doing make some form of sense?
- Does it allow the evening/occasion to continue without too much disruption?
- Does everyone know what’s expected of them?
If you can answer yes to all the above then what you’re doing is fine.
[quote=“steve679” post=3873][quote=“MattB” post=3871]Pretty much agree.
On our unit cadets tend to wait in a room for the arrival of the instructor hatted too (no idea why, it’s just always been that way!), but the instructor will remove theirs shortly after entering and the cadets will follow suit. So hats worn for first parade, drill prac, 1 minute at the start of lessons and for final parade - plus if they need to report to the office.[/quote]
Seconded!!
to paraphase ACP5c “the start and end of of every lesson, when “on Parade” (first and final), and when entering the office”[/quote]The H&S manual? I think maybe you’ve got the wrong reference!
sorry i meant Pam 5c!
Unless we are getting new berets and hats to counter any risk of roof collapses?
[quote=“steve679” post=3881]sorry i meant Pam 5c![/quote]The rifle and LSW? :?
Maybe he means Saturn V?
The sooner something comes out in writing the better, I waste too much time screaming at rooms because I don’t feel that the walls are stood to attention.
[quote=“Pam5c”]
Para 0115A At the beginning and end of every lesson, practice or range period[/quote]
my bold indicating the similarities…as i typed it i thought it apt…it would seem the moment has now gone
With you now!
Really concerned as how Pam5c has come into this. Pam 5c is the Army Pam for weapon training…