After all, most of the public understand RAF Cadets better than Air Training Corps
Nothing was said about changing the name to the RAC!
Heaven forbid we should upset the Royal Army - oh, they’re not called that are they!
(and yes, I do know that the Army is made up of Royal Corps and Regiments which is why they’re not styled the Royal Army collectively)
that is not the reason why it is not called the Royal Army but hey ho.
I only guessed you were meaning Royal Air Cadets because of you comment about the Maple lovers!
Whilst I accept that we’re lumped under this “RAF Air Cadets” umbrella for branding purposes (just as we’ve been under the old “Air Cadets” umbrella for years) I think it would be a great shame to ever lose the Air Training Corps.
The new brand is FAR better than the old one and the step closer to the RAF can only be a good thing, but I’ve never liked the term “Air Cadets”. Surely, if we were going that way then “Royal Air Force Cadets” would make more sense, and sound better anyway.
It does irritate me now when I see people referring to their units as “1234 (Anytown) Squadron RAF Air Cadets” because it’s just simply incorrect.
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The new brand is FAR better than the old one and the step closer to the RAF can only be a good thing, but I’ve never liked the term “Air Cadets”. Surely, if we were going that way then “Royal Air Force Cadets” would make more sense.
It does irritate me now when I see people referring to their units as “1234 (Anytown) Squadron RAF Air Cadets” because it’s just simply incorrect.[/quote]
Royal Air Force Cadets = RAFC = Royal Air Force College
I put at the end of emails:
Regards
J S Merlin
WO (ATC)
123 (Something) Squadron
Air Cadets
Tel:
Email:
www.123.org.uk
HQAC is Headquaters Air Cadets… Not HQATC
Yes, but… HQAC are responsible for ATC and CCF(RAF) - the “Air Cadet Organisation”, not just the ATC.
Squadrons are units of the Air Training Corps so to be totally correct that’s what they should be called.
To be fair to you chaps, this similar to the whole RAuxAF/RAF Reserves thing.
I’ve never read it as ‘RAF Air Cadets’ though. The brand has always, always been ‘Air Cadets’ and the Air Training Corps has always been an organisation that uses that brand. Sticking ‘RAF’ on the top on letters just means they look like all the other letters the RAF sends out, it doesn’t make ‘RAF Air Cadets’ a thing.
Air Training Corps = ATC = Air Traffic Control
Royal Armoured Corps = RAC = Royal Automobile Club
Royal Air Force = RAF = Red Army Faction
Now there’s a thought - Red Army Faction Cadets?
[quote=“cygnus maximus” post=2548]Air Training Corps = ATC = Air Traffic Control
Royal Armoured Corps = RAC = Royal Automobile Club
Royal Air Force = RAF = Red Army Faction
Now there’s a thought - Red Army Faction Cadets?[/quote]
Thank you so much for informing that MLA’s are used or can be used by more then one org. If you hadnt come along and told me i would never have been any wiser! :whistle:
However within the MoD and the majorety of the Commonwealth you’ll find very few units share! however everything else does! For example CTR means something very different to the Inf/Tankies then it does to the AAC
[quote=“duty_pongo” post=2492]that is not the reason why it is not called the Royal Army but hey ho.
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And the English Civil War!
Sorry, I must have missed the earlier MLA example!
Staying on topic, I entirely agree with you that MLAs can have various uses (nevertheless particularly confusing for the cadets is the ATC (cadets) vs ATC (Air Traffic) example), so it really doesn’t matter that much.
I don’t think there is anyone else using RAFCC (as in RAF Cadet Corps)?
True HQAC is HQ Air Cadets not HQATC - but it’s not my HQ, none the less, as noted above - I report only to the Headmaster and through him to MOD. It’s a mess.
T
[quote=“tango_lima” post=2545]To be fair to you chaps, this similar to the whole RAuxAF/RAF Reserves thing.
I’ve never read it as ‘RAF Air Cadets’ though. The brand has always, always been ‘Air Cadets’ and the Air Training Corps has always been an organisation that uses that brand. Sticking ‘RAF’ on the top on letters just means they look like all the other letters the RAF sends out, it doesn’t make ‘RAF Air Cadets’ a thing.[/quote]
Maybe I’d like to think you’re right with this conclusion, but I doubt it. In the same way in which the only tangible reference to the word “auxiliary” within the newco ‘RAF Reserves’ website and literature is upon the squadron crests, I believe the strategic intention is to rebrand, by logo and by quoted name, the ‘Air Cadets’ (nee Air Training Corps) as the “RAF Air Cadets”.
In doing this, as well as bending to the inability of the wider world to ever properly understand the difference between the terms ‘Air Force’ and ‘Royal Air Force’, the ever-shrinking modern-day RAF has also become increasingly unable to distinguish between the two complimentary-but-separate terms itself.
In exactly the same way in which the number of RAF Commands has reduced over the years from thirty to three to one, similarly with the reduction/merging of Groups, a predictable effect upon the ATC was arguably it’s eventual blend into a modernised brand of RAF Air Cadets. We must support and project the parent force in as effective a way as the world will let us, and as the RAF needs us to do.
wilf_san
[quote=“wilf_san” post=2977] I believe the strategic intention is to rebrand, by logo and by quoted name, the ‘Air Cadets’ (nee Air Training Corps) as the “RAF Air Cadets”.
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I agree with you entirely Wilf San; however, and just a thought, isn’t RAF Air Cadets a bit tautologous? What other type of cadets would be we wish be?
Ryan Air Air Cadets
Easyjet Air Cadets
Emirates Air Cadets
British Airways Air Cadets
Ryan Air Air Cadets
Easyjet Air Cadets
Emirates Air Cadets
British Airways Air Cadets[/quote]
Virgin Air Cadets? :whistle:
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Virgin Air Cadets? :whistle:[/quote]
Didn’t Leslie Thomas write a book about them?
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Didn’t Leslie Thomas write a book about them?[/quote]
I see where you’re…thinking from. No, that could’ve been an uncommenced piece never written by Len Deighton. I can’t say he’d never’ve conceived of such a flight of fantasy !-)
wilf_san
ps more on this later (organisational name, I mean)