VR(T) Commission Change

themajor · 2 December 2016 18:34

Interesting that the first survey was widely published through BADER Email & Social Media, yet these are the results first seen on ACC.

Plt_Off_Prune · 2 December 2016 19:51

It’s been out a day or so, give it time, Friday is always a slack day in the MOD

pEp · 2 December 2016 19:59

What angers me is they had an option which people selected, which they’re now saying isn’t an option. What was the point?!

MattB · 2 December 2016 22:51

RAFC?

Who comes up with this stuff, and did they check what RAFC actually means?

Plt_Off_Prune · 2 December 2016 23:23

Probably because the ACF and SSC complained.

MattB · 2 December 2016 23:40

I would still like to know what would be wrong with having ‘ATC’ embroidered on our slides (and CCF, VGS, etc)

Plt_Off_Prune · 3 December 2016 08:47

Sound idea!

tmmorris · 3 December 2016 09:52

MattB I’m with you and that’s what I suggested. The text box seems to have been ignored!

With the Army having OPCON of CCF now, it seemed sensible to align myself with my CCF(A) colleagues.

Interestingly it was confirmed to me on Wednesday that the CCFRN (not sure about SCC) will also be using the new CFC, meaning their officers will be commissioned for the first time. But they are sticking with Wavy Navy insignia - I did ask.

Plt_Off_Prune · 3 December 2016 10:34

You underestimate who is in charge of the panel.

offshorerelief · 3 December 2016 10:40

I wonder if chaplains in the ATC are being considered for uniformed entry into the ATC with the introduction of the CF commission? The SCC and ACF have chaplains appointed/commissioned into their uniformed cadre and assume they’ll be eligible for the CF commission too.

Plt_Off_Prune · 3 December 2016 14:39

Yes and many ACF hierarchy are from where?

daws1159 · 3 December 2016 21:22

I made the point in an email of “if the Sea Cadets are keeping Wavy Navy why can’t we keep VRT” no response though.

talon · 4 December 2016 00:38

I think you will find we couldn’t care less what you wear on your rank slide.

ACF chaplains are commissioned slightly differently to ACF officers in that they are appointed to the RAChD (Reserve) General List Section B, as opposed to the Army Reserve General List Section B. I don’t know if they will be changing to a CF commission or not.

theunknown · 4 December 2016 06:48

I’ve been told “No” because of “Complex legal reasons which means [the VRT] may well need to be retired as an entity.”

Farriersaxe · 4 December 2016 11:22

So would the VRT need to decide if they wanted to re-muster as Cadet Forces Commissioned officers get issued with new scrolls (given it’s a new appointment).

Having a decision point like that may just be the tipping point for those feeling aggrieved.

talon · 4 December 2016 11:39

I don’t imagine they would get a choice in the matter.

Farriersaxe · 4 December 2016 12:07

I should have included the word - continue -, whether they will get an actual choice in the matter is a non-starter as everything has already been decided.

Speaking a few over the last couple of weeks they feel it has been poorly handled and left them feeling decidely unsure as to whether they want to stay in uniform, including our CO. Our CO has been quite vitriolic about the whole thing.

This is ATC and there is nothing like more than a form for people to fill in and lose umpteen times, so they could send out a form for people to say yes/no.

I do still wonder if all concerned will get new scrolls.

Blue_SmartyII · 4 December 2016 15:54

Well, I’ve just voted.

I’ve selected pin badges for No1 and No5, simply because I’ve already got the wholes and don’t want to stitch on any badges.

I’ve also made my first option RAFV. Should be neater in the signature block of emails and straightforward in conversation.

Plt_Off_Prune · 4 December 2016 16:54

You don’t want half a whole otherwise you’d just have two holes.

daws1159 · 5 December 2016 09:58

But we are the only people who use VRT, so if it ceases to exist as we move to the new CF Commission the insignia will no longer be in use by the Regulars or Reserves and will therefore be available and it would be quite clear that we are Cadet instructors at a zero cost.